Subject: what do YOU think
Posted by: beren3001 |
hi everyone. i just recieved a reply from someone in regards to the lyrics of a song i posted last night. this person said ,and i quote, 'it speaks of mental illness'. now i know songs with depressing content arnt everyones cup of tea, but shouldnt music be about life? after all, life isnt all about sweetness and light is it? to me, songs should be about anything and everything in life. do you think music should always be about love? i dont. dont get me wrong, love songs are great, but theres a whole other world out there and im going to write about that too. what do you think?  see? im not depressed. lol. cheers, BEREN. |
Subject: Re: what do YOU think
Posted by: beren3001 |
| surely someone out there has an oppinion on this subject, id be interested to know if everyone feels the same as "robert k". cheers. BEREN. |
Subject: Re: what do YOU think
Posted by: Jt |
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id be interested to know if everyone feels the same as "robert k". cheers. BEREN.
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Yep, I do. Sorry.
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Subject: Re: what do YOU think
Posted by: RobertK |
Dude - listen up and listen well!
The point wasn't that songs should only be about light subject matter, especially in regards to so profound a topic as love.
The point was, overt expression of violent desires and bloody cruelty is seldom used or welcome in polite "normal" society.
If you're writing for yourself so you can go screeching on the stage in some black hole of a goth club for the mosh-pit miscreants, then more power to ya - you certainly don't need analysis of your songs, merely your head.
If you're looking for songwriting advice and critiques from various levels of experience and expertise, then stick around...
But don't expect regular folk to applaud the Hollywood Babylon bullshit-cum-adolescent angst that, when it truly manifests itself in the real world, turns into things like stalking and Columbine. |
Subject: Re: what do YOU think
Posted by: beren3001 |
| robert, i dont want to step on anyones toes here, and im truly sorry if ive offended anyone. im just trying to point out that music comes in all forms and for this particular song those words are very relevant. how about some constructive criticism? :( |
Subject: Re: what do YOU think
Posted by: beren3001 |
| and another thing, its not SUPPOSED to be a love song. i dont know where you got that idea. |
Subject: Re: what do YOU think
Posted by: old_dan |
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If you're writing for yourself so you can go screeching on the stage in some black hole of a goth club for the mosh-pit miscreants, then more power to ya - you certainly don't need analysis of your songs, merely your head.
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That's just a little harsh Robert  I think you're making some assumptions that may or may not be true. Violent lyrics and feelings are not unique to 'mosh-pit miscreants'. (cool phrase btw).
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The point was, overt expression of violent desires and bloody cruelty is seldom used or welcome in polite "normal" society
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but thinly veiled lyrics about oral sex are? hmmmmmm
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But don't expect regular folk to applaud the Hollywood Babylon bullshit-cum-adolescent angst that, when it truly manifests itself in the real world, turns into things like stalking and Columbine.
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Interesting. Are you saying violent lyrics cause violent behavior?
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If you're looking for songwriting advice and critiques from various levels of experience and expertise, then stick around...
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Best advice I've heard all day.
But to get to the question, should all songs be about lightness and love. Of course not. but every song has to have a reason and express that to the listener. A song that leaves a person unsettled is fine, as long as it leads to an examination of either themselves or the world around them. If not then it's no better than a cheap slasher movie. |
Subject: Re: what do YOU think
Posted by: RobertK |
Touche on the "thinly veiled" reference, Dan.
But I think I have an argument that such "tongue-in-cheek" double-entendre material is indeed a lot more welcomed and tolerated by the general populace, even cafe society, than (as you so well put it) "Hollywood slasher" kind of stuff.
As far as your "are you claiming that violent lyrics causes violence", that's not even a debate anymore. There's been too many documented cases about kids that have either committed suicide or lashed out at others being influenced by music and lyrics, starting all the way back to the sixties. Note that this is not an argument for overt government censorship, it's merely an argument that when people don't voice their concern, silence implies consent, and the youth (and older artists who truly should know better) start believing that literally anything goes, and if they d**mn well want to say they're going to cut someone's eyes out (or want to), then it's their right to do so, hiding later behind the argument that "I didn't really mean it that way" when someone dares to speak up and say "That's not acceptable, in fact, it's sick".
And to beren's point, yes, I do claim his original song to be a "love" song, about someone with a broken heart bewailing, even lashing out a bit, at the object of his desire. But again, that's not really the issue (and I can't believe we've all wasted this much time trying to convince/dissuade each other about the sociopathic underpinnings of the lines that caused offense.
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Subject: Re: what do YOU think
Posted by: beren3001 |
ok, for the third time. it is NOT a love song, nor never has been.it is a song about a woman in an abusive relationship,that is all, simple.BEREN
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Subject: Re: what do YOU think
Posted by: RobertK |
From the standpoint of the abuser, it IS his (albeit misguided) love song, but for the FOURTH time, that's not really the point.
Enough already. Write something that won't make people think you're a head case.
Try having the singer express something about his loved one's eyes other than the desire to cut them out. |
Subject: Re: what do YOU think
Posted by: old_dan |
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Touche on the "thinly veiled" reference, Dan.
But I think I have an argument that such "tongue-in-cheek" double-entendre material is indeed a lot more welcomed and tolerated by the general populace, even cafe society, than (as you so well put it) "Hollywood slasher" kind of stuff.
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True, but I couldn't help myself. It was too easy Actually Carlin settled that argument a long time ago (We're gonna do ya sheriff and we're gonna do you slow).
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As far as your "are you claiming that violent lyrics causes violence", that's not even a debate anymore. There's been too many documented cases about kids that have either committed suicide or lashed out at others being influenced by music and lyrics, starting all the way back to the sixties. |
Yeah, that's an arguement thats been around as long as we have. Personally I think there's a lot more to it. I don't think a healthy individual would be moved to violence by a violent song. There are a lot of factors involved. It's too easy to point to lyrics as the culprit.
But truthfully I'm not sure what I meant by the question. And I said 'saying' not 'claiming'. I'm sure I had something profound in mind 
Ah, but I'm tired of this too. Maybe I'll write a song about how violence is bad.......
I gonna shoot you in the head
and beat you till you're dead.
but that would be wrong,
and this is my happy song.
how's that, physco enough for ya? (LOL). |
Subject: Re: what do YOU think
Posted by: RobertK |
Now THAT'S scary! 
(your spelling, that is! ) |
Subject: Re: what do YOU think
Posted by: beren3001 |
well, all i can say is we'll have to agree to disagree.robertk? im sorry if i offended you but thats the lyrics, take it or leave it. other than that, i hope your music is going well,and hopefully we can forget all thats been said. Peace, BEREN.  |
Subject: Re: what do YOU think
Posted by: old_dan |
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Now THAT'S scary!
(your spelling, that is! )
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Oh yeah. What about my grammer? (she's fine, thank you) ;D
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